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white on "Agile code - Java/Spring or Ruby/Rails?"

white — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:16:34 +0000

I've heard guys still doing development in PHP, Perl and even Lisp, however, I really have no clue how could the Web development be made on Lisp.

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white on "Agile code - Java/Spring or Ruby/Rails?"

white — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:08:20 +0000

I've heard guys still doing development in PHP, Perl and even Lisp, however, I really have no clue how could the Web development be made on Lisp.

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green on "Agile code - Java/Spring or Ruby/Rails?"

green — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:23:40 +0000

Hi,

I've been talking with different people (especially during this Startup School, and especially with people which are doing their own startups) about how they are doing Web development "agile-way", and most of them were mentioning Ruby on Rails. Almost everybody, frankly speaking. Once or twice I heard PHP, but that's it. Couple of people mentioned Java with Spring. I personally really enjoy Java with Spring. No any freaking "hard-heavy-mutants", just plain JDBC and Spring. That is Agile. But why Ruby that much? My experience with it is weak, but I see it to be much interesting than PHP. But Java with Spring is a neat tool, really nice and easy at the same time. Flexible also, I should say. So why Ruby? Because it's the only alternative which is not "big" like C/C++/Java? Any thoughts?

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green on "Comments to "How To Use Java at a Startup""

green — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:28:00 +0000

Kurt Williams in his blog posted interesting post "How To Use Java at a Startup".

It does sound right, in terms of how Java is really good solution, but it's too critical to Ruby, PHP, etc. They all are open-source clones - no matter what -- and they are enough powerful to accomplish many project tasks. I am reading Kurt's post once again, and again... and it's only speaking about GUI or third-party-whatever else tools. I do not get it. If I need a GUI, I pretty much will be fine AJAX, or well, Flash-powered Flex or Laszlo. Desktop GUI? Probably - but I actually know as little as none of recent startups which are Web + GUI. They all are Web, or just GUI. And well, what is the problem of having backend in Java, Ruby, PHP, you-name-it - once you can utilize XML and have fun creating Web Services without really caring about what "language" is about to use this service?
Yes, I do agree in general. But Java is edgy too. All these EJBs and application containers - that's a terrible heavy-weight thing. You need to work hard to make use of them useful. And they are useful. But definitely not for many of startups with almost nothing of load. Spring + plain JDBC can do pretty nice job, with simple Tomcat as container. But when I am saying "edgy" - I mean that even by choosing right language "Java" you can get wrong solution inside it.

I've been a Java developer. And I still develop code. And I did architecting job considering Java & PHP. I know the topic pretty much. Although I do like Java much better than Ruby or PHP, I still _even for myself_ will consider Java and Ruby and PHP at the same time.

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